20070429
Blog Is Up : Part III
The Power Of Influence
To be honest, how they did this was amazing. All the main stream media wrote about the Ijok by-election which at current time has the largest voters' turn out, about 80%. I am really amazed at how they come up with such number. You guys just ought to see the numbers from 8 a.m right till the election booths closed.
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KUALA SELANGOR, April 28 (Bernama) -- About 14 per cent of the 12,272 voters in the Ijok state by-election in Selangor have cast their ballots as at 10am, two hours after polling centres opened Saturday.
....(refer:Bernama)
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KUALA SELANGOR, April 28 (Bernama) -- The percentage of voters who have cast their ballots in the Ijok by-election hovered around the 50.85 per cent figure as at 2pm compared to 33 per cent at noon today.
... (refer:Bernama)
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IJOK: A total of 10,049 voters or 81.88 per cent of the registered voters in Ijok had cast their ballots when polling ended at 5pm. It is the highest turn-out for a by-election.
... (refer:TheStar Malaysia)
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Seriously, you guys (the BNs) perhaps have the very great mouth, with astounding skills of influencing peoples. Getting from 20 to 80% isn't an easy job, isn't it Joe ? I would really like to ask how you guys did it ? Hey, I wanna learn those ways too. You can see anywhere there's no such high voters turn out, except in our very own
Yes, perhaps you guys might say “Hey, PKR was there too. They also must have their power of influence over people”. Well, firstly all main stream medias said that Anwar was no longer vital in the politic of
So, I must say, you guys were fantastic. GL HF in the next election, and let’s see if not only the voters turn out is this high, but the timeflow is also the same. ;)
20070427
Zainuddin Questions Motives Of Foreign Media
KUALA SELANGOR, April 26 (Bernama) -- Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin today questioned the motives of some foreign media organisations which were giving wide coverage and publicity to an individual from a political party that had no credibility among Malaysians.
"We cannot understand the reasons. Do not underestimate the intelligence of Malaysians. The party in power in Parliament now was elected through the democratic process," he said when launching a Smart Community centre in Ijok near here today.
Under the concept of democracy, he said priority should be given to people who had majority support and in the case of the opposition it should be for its leader, namely Lim Kit Siang of the DAP.
"We are seeing a concerted effort to interfere in the internal affairs of Malaysia," he said.
Zainuddin said the English media organisations, based in West Asia, Britain and United States were giving undue attention and coverage to this "loser".
"They have an agenda to cause political instability in Malaysia," he said.
He also said that it was unfortunate that some of our own media people were joining the bandwagon in the guise of freedom of speech without understanding that democracy in Malaysia cannot be equated to that in the West.
"Why should we get outsiders to approve what we are doing. This is like saying if the West gives its stamp of approval, then it is right," he said.
At the same function, Zainuddin also said that he regretted the actions of the opposition for making wild allegations about the police when campaigning in the run-up to the Ijok by-election on Saturday.
He said that this was not good and that the force followed procedures when taking any action, and as such, opposition members should not have shielded a suspected criminal when the police wanted to arrest him in Ijok recently.
Zainuddin added that all parties should be aware that police's presence during elections or by-elections was in everyone's interest and that the opposition making baseless allegations about it was not justified.
Me : Who is the loser actually? Is he really a loser? How come, all the media are saying the same things? How come, all the blogs are saying the opposite?
Firstly, Mr Zainuddin perhaps should be a little clear about the political procedures in Malaysia. Unlike United States Of America, or England, the opposition here does not stand as one formally, but instead are made up of chunks of parties, which rally against the National Front. The National Front, might be made of different parties, which are united under one roof, named National Front. The Opposition, however, if I am correct, only have PKR and PAS as the Opposition Front, where as DAP is still a stand-alone party, which regularly make diplomatic contacts with PKR.
Secondly, human always have something called a tounge, which can be twisted. Through that, people lied. This is the reason they seeked him. Imagine if all the main stream medias is calling him a loser, one would say "Hey, doesn't it sound wrong, somewhere? Someone must have say the opposite thing". Yet, no main stream media did. Except for the blogs of course.
A person who does not have any credibility in the eyes of the commons, would surely have been left out alone when he is giving out his speech. Yet, he is not. Why is that, Mr Zainuddin. How do you justify him as having no credibility in the eyes of the commons, the eyes of Malaysians? By saying that he's a homo? Well, you might also want to consider that such charges against him was dropped.
Actions not justified, really? Then what about the incident which could cause blindness to a photographer named Paul Choo, or the assault on Dr. Lo' Lo when she was trying to give out medicines and treatments to those who needed it. Or even better, the list of voters showed in Malaysia Today. Are not they justified actions ?
Another thing, under the concept of democracy, anyone can be asked for opinions. That's what I see, as long as he is saying the truth.
Operation Freedom
Congress united on Iraq pull-outThe US Senate has voted to approve a bill which requires US troops to start withdrawing from Iraq by October.
President Bush says the bill will undermine US forces in IraqPresident George Bush has said he will veto the Democrat-sponsored bill, which was also passed by the House of Representatives on Wednesday.
Mr Bush says he is committed to his "surge" strategy, under which more US troops are being poured into Baghdad.
Earlier the top US general in Iraq, David Petraeus, said reducing forces could lead to increased violence.
The Senate voted 51 to 46 in favour of the bill, which makes $100bn (£50bn) in further funding for the war conditional on a timetable for withdrawal.
It says the pull-out must start by 1 October this year, and sets a target of completion by 31 March 2008.
'Stunt'
"It sets us on a new course, away from a civil war with no end in sight toward a responsible phased redeployment that holds Iraqis accountable. This is a responsible plan for redeployment, not a precipitous withdrawal," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
(The US effort in Iraq) clearly is going to require an enormous commitment over time
Gen David Petraeus"If the president refuses to change direction, America risks being bogged down in Iraq for years, not months."
Republicans dismissed the bill as a futile stunt, since although the Democrats control both houses of Congress, they do not have enough votes to overrule a presidential veto.
Nevertheless, it is a clear sign that Americans' elected representatives in Washington are deeply divided over the war in Iraq, says the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington.
It is the first time Democrats have managed to summon the support to send a bill opposing Mr Bush's war directly to the president's desk.
The bill may be presented to him on Tuesday, the fourth anniversary of his speech declaring the battle of Iraq a "victory" in the war on terror.
That would be "the height of cynicism", said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.
She confirmed that Mr Bush would use the presidential veto for only the second time in his two terms of office.
That is historically a very low figure, indicating how he benefited from a co-operative Congress, until Democrats seized control in November.
Withdrawal 'premature'
Mr Bush has described efforts to force a withdrawal as an attempt to "handcuff our generals".
Earlier, Gen Petraeus avoided giving a direct opinion on the bill, but said the US effort "clearly is going to require an enormous commitment over time".
He said the first few months of the Baghdad surge had led to improvements in Iraq, but said it had still to get fully into its stride, and admitted that progress was "often eclipsed by sensational attacks which overshadow our achievements".
He described the situation there as "exceedingly complex and very tough", and said "there is vastly more work to be done across the board".
Meanwhile, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said "any premature timetable [for withdrawal] would not be realistic".
"This is part of the politicking, basically, in Washington and this has been damaging in fact to the security, political development, not only in Iraq, but in the entire region," he added.
Me: Finally the Democrats and Republicans are fighting against each other. It is very nice to see this kind of events happening, where you got Democrats on one strong side, and the Republicans on the other. Well Mr. Bush, a veto and it might be your last day in the Oval Office. That's all I got to say. Remember the keyword everybody, might. ;)
Honestly, the American troopers have been too long in Iraq. At first, Mr. President said it was Operation Freedom (or something like that, where they were supposed to only 'free' Iraq from the tyrant Saddam Hussein.
Yes, perhaps he was a tyrant. But through his political agenda and ruling, the effects were not as big as what we are seeing now. Instead of freeing Iraq, all they did was actually injecting, or fueling more rage and anger in Iraq.
You think I am bluffing ? Well, just look at Saddam's execution, held during Eid-Adha. During that reflect something in the mind of Muslims. For sure it did. Mine too.
And now, they are proposing for a wall. After the wall, what else? Something like Palestine and Israel, is it? Hmm...
Congress united on Iraq pull-outThe US Senate has voted to approve a bill which requires US troops to start withdrawing from Iraq by October.
President George Bush has said he will veto the Democrat-sponsored bill, which was also passed by the House of Representatives on Wednesday.
Mr Bush says he is committed to his "surge" strategy, under which more US troops are being poured into Baghdad.
Earlier the top US general in Iraq, David Petraeus, said reducing forces could lead to increased violence.
The Senate voted 51 to 46 in favour of the bill, which makes $100bn (£50bn) in further funding for the war conditional on a timetable for withdrawal.
It says the pull-out must start by 1 October this year, and sets a target of completion by 31 March 2008.
'Stunt'
"It sets us on a new course, away from a civil war with no end in sight toward a responsible phased redeployment that holds Iraqis accountable. This is a responsible plan for redeployment, not a precipitous withdrawal," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Gen David Petraeus"If the president refuses to change direction, America risks being bogged down in Iraq for years, not months."
Republicans dismissed the bill as a futile stunt, since although the Democrats control both houses of Congress, they do not have enough votes to overrule a presidential veto.
Nevertheless, it is a clear sign that Americans' elected representatives in Washington are deeply divided over the war in Iraq, says the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington.
It is the first time Democrats have managed to summon the support to send a bill opposing Mr Bush's war directly to the president's desk.
The bill may be presented to him on Tuesday, the fourth anniversary of his speech declaring the battle of Iraq a "victory" in the war on terror.
That would be "the height of cynicism", said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.
She confirmed that Mr Bush would use the presidential veto for only the second time in his two terms of office.
That is historically a very low figure, indicating how he benefited from a co-operative Congress, until Democrats seized control in November.
Withdrawal 'premature'
Mr Bush has described efforts to force a withdrawal as an attempt to "handcuff our generals".
Earlier, Gen Petraeus avoided giving a direct opinion on the bill, but said the US effort "clearly is going to require an enormous commitment over time".
He said the first few months of the Baghdad surge had led to improvements in Iraq, but said it had still to get fully into its stride, and admitted that progress was "often eclipsed by sensational attacks which overshadow our achievements".
He described the situation there as "exceedingly complex and very tough", and said "there is vastly more work to be done across the board".
Meanwhile, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said "any premature timetable [for withdrawal] would not be realistic".
"This is part of the politicking, basically, in Washington and this has been damaging in fact to the security, political development, not only in Iraq, but in the entire region," he added.
Me: Finally the Democrats and Republicans are fighting against each other. It is very nice to see this kind of events happening, where you got Democrats on one strong side, and the Republicans on the other. Well Mr. Bush, a veto and it might be your last day in the Oval Office. That's all I got to say. Remember the keyword everybody, might. ;)
Honestly, the American troopers have been too long in Iraq. At first, Mr. President said it was Operation Freedom (or something like that, where they were supposed to only 'free' Iraq from the tyrant Saddam Hussein.
Yes, perhaps he was a tyrant. But through his political agenda and ruling, the effects were not as big as what we are seeing now. Instead of freeing Iraq, all they did was actually injecting, or fueling more rage and anger in Iraq.
You think I am bluffing ? Well, just look at Saddam's execution, held during Eid-Adha. During that reflect something in the mind of Muslims. For sure it did. Mine too.
And now, they are proposing for a wall. After the wall, what else? Something like Palestine and Israel, is it? Hmm...
20070424
Site Updated
Still, there are some errors is my site. As you can see the are same links at the right side of my blog. Currently I am trying to correct it with the help of Blogger Help Group. Hopefully the things will be solved very soon.
Ijok : A blasphemy of SPR
Well, I was kinda shocked when I opened Malaysia Today's article on Ijok by-election.
Among the registered voters, were some pakciks and makciks as old as 100 years old. Well, that, perhaps could have been the lacking SPR in updating their voting list. Well, I do not know of that.
But, then again, there's something which makes no sense at all. Someone by the name of Ispani bin Mohd. Rejo, with serial no 1913, is actually an 8-year-old boy, who was born in 1999. Tell me now, since when SPR let kiddos as young as that to actually vote?
First of all, I thought there was some mistake in the SPR voting list, well you know, maybe they intrepeted 99 in the I/C as 1999, when it was supposed to 1899. Even then, that would also make not sense, since that would make him the oldest man in the world, and someone that old to have a new I/C? For sure the mainstream media would take a glance of him when he got his new I/C.
Well, for whatever it was, hopefully it was just another dummy or silly mistake by SPR. Cekap dan Telus. Heh.
p/s: Or were they for real, I mean, well you know...
Pic 1 : Look at Serial No 1913
Pic 2: Voter with Serial No 1913 details as in the SPR website
20070423
Mana Lagi Bagus ?
Automatik layak mengundi -- Atasi masalah 4.9 juta rakyat tidak mendaftar sebagai pemilih
Oleh NIZAM YATIM dan SADATUL MAHIRAN ROSLI
KUALA LUMPUR 22 April – Pelbagai pihak menggesa kerajaan membuat kajian menyeluruh kemungkinan melaksanakan pendaftaran pemilih secara automatik bagi mengatasi masalah 4.9 juta rakyat Malaysia yang belum mendaftar sebagai pengundi.
Sehubungan itu, mereka meminta kerajaan mempertimbangkan semula keputusan dibuat pada 2005 yang menangguhkan pelaksanaan peraturan tersebut atas alasan terdapat banyak keburukan.
Presiden Majlis Belia Malaysia (MBM), Datuk Shamsul Anuar Nasarah berkata, kajian mendalam perlu bagi membolehkan pelaksanaannya dalam memastikan orang ramai akan mendaftar sebagai pemilih.
‘‘Cadangan pendaftaran automatik pernah ditangguh oleh kerajaan, tetapi berdasarkan perkembangan terbaru ini satu kajian lengkap perlu dilakukan mengenai keberkesanannya,” katanya ketika dihubungi di sini, hari ini.
Beliau memberi reaksi itu sebagai mengulas kenyataan Pengerusi Suruhanjaya Pilihan Raya (SPR), Tan Sri Ab. Rashid Ab. Rahman pada muka depan Mingguan Malaysia hari ini bahawa 80 peratus daripada 4.9 juta rakyat Malaysia yang masih belum mendaftar adalah orang Melayu.
Golongan terbabit memberikan pelbagai alasan termasuk tidak berminat dengan urusan politik negara, malas, terlalu sibuk dan tidak tahu di mana tempat pendaftaran boleh dibuat.
Menurut Ab. Rashid, berbanding orang Melayu, kaum lain mempunyai kesedaran yang cukup tinggi untuk menjadi pengundi sebaik sahaja mencapai usia 21 tahun.
Cadangan mendaftarkan secara automatik setiap warganegara yang mencapai umur 21 tahun dengan kawasan mengundi berdasarkan alamat yang tertera pada kad pengenalan pernah diumumkan oleh Ab. Rashid pada tahun 2001.
Bagaimanapun, SPR dalam satu kenyataan pada tahun 2005 menjelaskan pihaknya telah dinasihatkan oleh kerajaan supaya menangguhkan pelaksanaan perkara itu berikutan terdapat banyak keburukan.
Sementara itu, Ab. Rashid yang diminta menjelaskan penangguhan itu berkata, pendaftaran secara automatik tidak boleh dijalankan kerana telah termaktub dalam Perlembagaan 119 iaitu mengkehendaki pengundi mendaftar di tempat mereka bermastautin.
Katanya, sebelum ini, SPR pernah melaksanakan pendaftaran secara automatik mengikut alamat kad pengenalan tetapi didapati sistem itu tidak mencapai kejayaan kerana semasa menjalankan kempen pengesahan alamat, hampir 90 peratus surat berkenaan telah dikembalikan kepada badan tersebut.
‘‘Ini menunjukkan ramai yang tidak bermastautin lagi di alamat yang tertera mengikut kad pengenalan.
‘‘Ini adalah keburukan sistem tersebut kerana sikap rakyat Malaysia yang tidak ingin mematuhi keperluan menukar alamat dalam kad pengenalan apabila berpindah tempat kediaman,’’ kata Ab. Rashid.
Shamsul Anuar memberitahu, sebarang usaha untuk melaksanakan pendaftaran pemilih secara automatik perlu disokong dengan kempen lebih agresif bagi menggalakkan generasi muda mengundi.
‘‘Tiada gunanya jika mereka didaftar secara automatik tetapi masih enggan menunaikan tanggungjawab untuk keluar mengundi ketika pilihan raya,” ujarnya.
Pengerusi Biro Keahlian dan Daftar Pemilih Pemuda UMNO, Johan Abd. Aziz pula memberitahu, beliau telah meneliti cadangan pendaftaran secara automatik yang dibuat oleh SPR dan mendapati ia hanya boleh dilaksanakan jika segala kelemahan yang dikenal pasti diatasi.
Menurut beliau, pihaknya menyokong langkah mengkaji semula cadangan itu dan berharap semua pihak dapat mengemukakan idea baru bagi menyelesaikan segala kelemahan yang ada.
Selain itu, Johan berharap lebih banyak kaunter pendaftaran pemilih dibuka di universiti-universiti berikutan kajian pihaknya mendapati kebanyakan yang tidak mendaftar adalah daripada kalangan pelajar baru yang mencapai umur 21 tahun.
‘‘Jumlah ahli Pemuda UMNO yang tidak mendaftar kini adalah sedikit iaitu kira-kira 150,000 orang berbanding keseluruhan 740,000 ahli,” jelasnya.
Ketua Pemuda MIC, S.A. Vigneswaran pula berkata, pihaknya menyokong pelaksanaan pendaftaran secara automatik kerana ia telah berjaya dilaksanakan di negara-negara maju.
‘‘Kita perlu mempermudahkan proses pendaftaran bagi membolehkan penduduk yang layak dapat menunaikan tanggungjawab mereka tanpa masalah,’’ katanya.
Setiausaha Agung Pemuda MCA, Dr. Wee Ka Siong pula menyatakan yang pihaknya bersetuju dengan usaha tersebut tetapi dengan syarat semua kelemahan yang telah dikenal pasti diatasi terlebih dahulu.
‘‘Kita berharap lebih banyak perbincangan mendalam diadakan bagi memastikan pelaksanaannya dapat dibuat secara berkesan,’’ ujarnya.
Bagi Setiausaha Agung Pas, Datuk Kamaruddin Jaafar, parti itu menyokong sepenuhnya cadangan mewujudkan pendaftaran pemilih secara automatik kerana ia mempunyai lebih banyak kebaikan berbanding keburukan.
Katanya, kelemahan yang wujud boleh diatasi dengan mudah berikutan terdapat kaedah moden termasuk Internet yang memboleh penukaran alamat dilakukan secara talian terus.
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Dengan Nama Allah Yang Maha Pemurah Lagi Maha Mengasihani.
Serampang dua mata. Benar sekali, sistem pendaftaran secara automatik akan memudahkan ramai orang.
1) SPR
2) Parti-parti politik
3) Pengundi
Namun, sebelum perkara seperti itu dilaksanakan, rasanya lebih bagus kalau ada beberapa 'check-up' dahulu.
Perkara paling utama mungkin sekali undi hantu. Benar atau tidak, kes-kes pengundi hantu seringkali berlaku di dalam negara kita. Memang banyak kes-kes yang dilaporkan(banyak lagi yang tak dapat dilaporkan, mungkin saja-saja sebagai provokasi, ataupun tidak cukup bukti), dan ada kes yang menang di mahkamah. Justeru itu, bukankah dengan sistem automatik ini, penipuan melalui undi hantu akan lebih berleluasa.
Alasannya ialah tiada konformasi ataupun pengesahan daripada sudut ataupun aspek pengundi itu sendiri. Cukup umur, boleh terus undi. Kalau taknak undi, 'well', jadilah undi hantu, 'nak atau tak nak'.
Perkara kedua mungkin sekali ialah kecekapan SPR sendiri. Satu sistem automatik, sekiranya dilaksanakan, memerlukan pemerhatian yang tinggi kerana kesilapan, sama ada 'fatal' ataupun tidak bila-bila sahaja boleh berlaku. Dengan kadar kecekapan SPR kini, yang masih lagi diragui sesetengah pihak, mungkin cadangan untuk membuat sistem pendaftaran secara automatik perlu dikaji dengan sepenuhnya.
20070420
Bas, lori kini boleh guna gas asli
BATU CAVES 19 April – Pengusaha bas dan lori boleh menjimatkan kos bahan bakar lebih 50 peratus dengan mengubah suai enjin diesel kenderaan masing-masing kepada enjin gas asli.
Pengubahsuaian menggunakan teknologi dari Korea Selatan itu diusahakan oleh bengkel milik syarikat bumiputera, RMWay Engineering Sdn. Bhd.
Menteri Pembangunan Usahawan dan Koperasi, Datuk Mohamed Khaled Nordin berkata, bengkel tersebut merupakan yang pertama di negara ini menjalankan aktiviti pengubahsuaian enjin diesel kepada enjin gas asli.
Jelasnya, syarikat berkenaan berjaya mengubah suai enjin sebuah bas berkuasa 7,000 cc dan lori berkapasiti 2,500 cc.
“Kedua-dua kenderaan ini telah diuji oleh sekumpulan jurutera bertauliah dan mereka amat berpuas hati dengan kekemasan kerja yang dilakukan RMWay Engineering dan mengiktirafnya setanding dengan apa yang terdapat di Korea Selatan.
“Saya telah dimaklumkan bahawa RMWay Engineering telah banyak belajar daripada teknologi ulung ini dan kini bersedia untuk menjalankan operasi pengubahsuaian secara komersial,” katanya dalam ucapan perasmian bengkel milik RMWay Engineering di sini, hari ini.
Teks ucapan beliau dibacakan oleh Setiausaha Parlimen Kementerian Pembangunan Usahawan dan Koperasi, Datuk Samsu Baharun Abdul Rahman.
Mohamed Khaled memberitahu, sebanyak 20 bengkel yang menjalankan aktiviti serupa akan dibuka di sekitar Lembah Klang tidak lama lagi.
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Blog Is Up
Sorry to say that I had stopped blogging for some time, well, mainly, due to some reasons, which I'm not gonna tell ya.
But not for now, as I am getting high again at blogging.
p/s: the shoutbox is not yet operating, as I had forgot the link. I'll try to upload it somewhere tonite afta my test.
Again
First, they blame the State Govt for giving orders to the local Jab. Perhutanan not to give the Lojing statements to the Fed Govt.
Somehow, MT (Malaysia Today) uncover their blasphemy.
Well now, they say they have some more evidence. I wonder where they received it. Will they show the evidence, or not show the evidence, or even worse, well, like what happened in Batu Talam, show another piece of fake documents in front of public? Which ever choice they made, it's not their first time doing it.
Lojing: Syarikat Singapura terbabit
KUALA LUMPUR 19 April – Menteri Sumber Manusia dan Alam Sekitar, Datuk Seri Azmi Khalid mendakwa beliau mempunyai bukti Kerajaan Negeri Kelantan meluluskan permohonan tiga syarikat dari Singapura melakukan aktiviti pembalakan di Lojing.
Katanya, setiap syarikat itu diberi kira-kira 400 hektar kawasan untuk menjalankan aktiviti tersebut.
Sementara itu, Azmi berkata, baru-baru ini seorang exco kerajaan negeri mengeluarkan kenyataan bahawa beliau (Azmi) bersifat kebudak- budakan dalam menangani isu Lojing.
“Exco berkenaan membuat kenyataan itu dalam sebuah akhbar di Pantai Timur. Ini bukan soal budak-budak atau dewasa. Saya amat serius dalam isu Lojing ini.
“Kita mahukan kebenaran dan minta mereka berhenti daripada terus memusnahkan hutan kerana kemusnahan hutan akan membawa kerugian kepada ekonomi negara dan penduduk setempat,” katanya kepada pemberita di lobi Parlimen, hari ini.
Menurut Azmi, kerajaan Pusat tidak mempunyai kuasa untuk memberhentikan kerja-kerja pembalakan kerana Lojing terletak di bawah bidang kuasa kerajaan negeri Kelantan.
Tambahnya, kini beliau hanya meminta kerajaan negeri untuk tampil memberi cadangan dalam memulihkan semula Lojing.
“Soal alam sekitar bukan melibatkan politik. Kita hanya meminta kerajaan negeri lebih bertanggungjawab dalam perkara ini.
“Saya sudah mendedahkan kepada rakyat, biar rakyat tentukan yang mana salah yang mana betul,” ujarnya.
[Pictures taken from Malaysia Today]
Me: Sepandai-pandai tupai melompat, akhirnya jatuh ke tanah jua. Even according to proofs by MT, there's only 2 place where the logging areas are > 400 ha. Maybe the local Jab. Perhutanan are not doing something, or someone else is up to something.
